tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post1406042522731045696..comments2023-11-03T08:02:25.082-07:00Comments on Progressive Rock Hall of Infamy: Dissimilar Cousins: Yes, King Crimson, and Why Some Prog SucksTimothy Readyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18330489391127893662noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-47334605142583029672016-10-04T00:10:32.548-07:002016-10-04T00:10:32.548-07:00Your post is very well. You share the nice informa...Your post is very well. You share the nice information about load bank testing & used generator sales.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.power-rite.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">diesel generator hire</a> & <a href="http://www.power-rite.co.uk/index.php/services/new-and-used-generator-sales/" rel="nofollow">used generator sales</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04748293294555322958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-2767949928718432022016-06-17T04:00:34.531-07:002016-06-17T04:00:34.531-07:00Thanks for the post.
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Have a nice day.<br /><br />StevenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08457350132948312910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-66351456705744609872012-12-07T21:14:37.735-08:002012-12-07T21:14:37.735-08:00Awful article, reads like it was written by an une...Awful article, reads like it was written by an uneducated child of about 9 years.Gandalfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02539597354486559694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-79307990681198069612012-09-14T12:10:32.345-07:002012-09-14T12:10:32.345-07:00This is a really terrific article, and I'm fra...This is a really terrific article, and I'm frankly astonished it's been so shit on throughout these comments.Jackie Mayhemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05858509786914010357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-86865104387210632152010-07-08T18:19:13.588-07:002010-07-08T18:19:13.588-07:00What can I say? One person's bullshit is anot...What can I say? One person's bullshit is another one's caviar. I love both; while Crimson has never made an album as good as Yes' best, Crimson has also never made an album as bad as Yes' worst and are more likely to make an album "up to standard", kind of like Rush. Still, even Yes' "messes" often succeed; it depends on how dedicated you are to the Classical virtues, and oddly enough, the post-punk rock'n'roll consensus is quite dedicated to the Classical virtues. <br /><br />I also wonder about the charge of "narcissism". Again, certain kinds of music leave themselves open to this charge if people don't like it; that doesn't mean it's justified, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-62072038525704957192010-07-01T21:09:37.300-07:002010-07-01T21:09:37.300-07:00I only have three versions of Kohntarkosz. I'm...I only have three versions of Kohntarkosz. I'm jealous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-63793716652128688442010-07-01T14:21:20.142-07:002010-07-01T14:21:20.142-07:00I'm one of those people who made the transitio...I'm one of those people who made the transition from prog to punk. It's all because of Crimson. Bands like Yes are dreadfully narcissitic, self-indulgent, and well, ultimately boring, where bands like King Crimson and the Mothers of Invention were "progressive" in nature (using experimentation and epic-track writing to their artistic benefit) but ultimately "punk" in mentality. Thing is, neither Fripp nor Zappa really gave a fuck. They made their own weird idea of music and did it well. Albums like Lark's and Red were chaotic yet compositionally structured, noisy and agressive yet smart and epic - the best aspects of good progressive music. <br /><br />These days I'm attracted to bands like the Melvins and Nirvana because they melded early progressive experimentation and the idea of the "epic album" with the direct, no frills, no bs attitude of punk. If any of you prog fans out there who are looking for more music to satisfy your minds hearts like, especially if you favor Wetton era Crimson or Mothers era Zappa - go check out an album called Stag by the Melvins, that or Stoner Witch (also by the Melvins) - there you will find what prog SHOULD be. Music that challenges but doesn't outstay its welcome. <br /><br />Cheers,<br />ZachRivendudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16470583907172394888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-44328989362850322792010-07-01T11:47:54.127-07:002010-07-01T11:47:54.127-07:00Re. Poseidon being "Court Pt2". "Si...Re. Poseidon being "Court Pt2". "Side One" (on the vinyl disc), probably yes... the three songs map neatly onto the "Court" format... a blazing opener, followed by a gentle ballad, followed by a down-tempo big sounding orchestrated/mellotronized ballad. Side Two... a very different deal. Cat Food, especially with Tippett's piano parts, is 100% unlike anything on "Court", and the "Mars" interpretation that fills up the rest of "Side Two" is a departure from anything on "Court". The "Peace" bookends are another departure from the "Court" format. I feel that "Poseidon" sees KC both capitalizing on the successful "Court", and trying to move on at the same time. Perhaps its "half prog"?Bloggulatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02277867797233497542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-90206460478016473772010-07-01T02:53:40.539-07:002010-07-01T02:53:40.539-07:00I didn't know that Fripp thought Yes "had...I didn't know that Fripp thought Yes "had the juice" with Close to the Edge. I have to agree. This album had more depth to it and more wonderful moments than any other Yes disc. Topographic Oceans, on the other hand, made my heart sink when I first heard it. And, after repeated tries, I just can't listen to it. I gave up on Yes.<br /><br />When a band thinks it's "got it handled" it dies. Lark's Tongues is the evidence of progression after the "got it handled" formulaic type thinking during 70/72. Yet it still includes the "Epitaph/In The Wake of Posidon" type prog ballad "Exiles" <br /><br />It is said that bands take three albums to find "the juice".They should then reconsider what they are doing. Crimson found it in their first album and,even though they split, went on to make Poseidon which is really "Court pt II"... hardly a progression.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01433383541869071455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-47290782500346285982010-07-01T01:26:35.050-07:002010-07-01T01:26:35.050-07:00While the sentiment is there – and I think largely...While the sentiment is there – and I think largely correct, you have, as an earlier comment noted, allowed your emotions to get the better of you. Words such as 'hate', 'like', 'love', 'loath' all trip unnervingly easily from the tongue (or pen or keyboard) but mean little.<br /><br />The point (and I hope you will forgive me here) is that Prog (with a capital P) is a label and like all labels, destined for ignominy the moment they are attached. The term progressive rock (small p) is what it says on the tin: rock music that progresses in some way from the point or environment it began in.<br /><br />I enjoy and admire anyone that can push the boundaries and progress. I find little of value in something that is laid down as a 'me too' or that falls into a formula.<br /><br />Possibly also worth noting that Fripp has pointed out that Yes 'had the juice' in 1971/72 (Close to the Edge), but that was gone by Tales of Topographic Oceans. Crimson had it in 69 – but was able to get it back again in 73 (Larks' Tongues). Yes never got it back again, Crimson did (and again in 1981). Crimson progressed. Yes stood still.Mechkovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06725482357577793007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-62117208347346092792010-06-30T19:49:07.345-07:002010-06-30T19:49:07.345-07:00Your blog is as funny as the music you describe.
...Your blog is as funny as the music you describe.<br /><br />I find that most Prog in general suffers from taking itself way to serious.<br /><br />The majority of players are primarily interested in wowing their audience with the theoretical dexterity and miss the whole point of connecting the audience with truly wonderful music to listen to.<br /><br />sonofjorgUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04861997813983425674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-33984036090162879752010-06-30T14:27:33.019-07:002010-06-30T14:27:33.019-07:00“Perhaps the world's second worst crime is bor...“Perhaps the world's second worst crime is boredom. The first is being a bore.”<br /><br />You've committed the first worst crime in spades with the writing in this article. Could you have been ANY more verbose? I think not. <br /><br />With anything, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". To say that Relayer is just a mish mosh of ideas is...pretty irresponsible. I'm sure that the Yes boys agonized over EVERY idea in that record. As did the Crims. <br /><br />I do agree that the material on LTIA does sound a bit more "composed" than Relayer, but once again, NONE OF US, I REPEAT, NONE OF US have a clue as to the creative processes that went into either of these records. <br /><br />Make an album sometime. Compose a bunch of tracks that need to live together on the same piece of plastic. Until you've walked a mile in the artists' shoes, you REALLY have no beef. <br /><br />For the record, I'm a HUGE Yes fan AND a HUGE Crimson fan. To me, those records are just a milepost in the artists' journey. To say one is a more thoughtful piece of art than another is, well, pretty uninformed. <br /><br />I DO think you're WAY off base with Rick Wakeman though. Some of his solos are the best in Prog Rock.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08956890809382784153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-72457985736524035092010-06-30T11:10:17.696-07:002010-06-30T11:10:17.696-07:00Huh, I find both Yes and Crimson to be quite fun. ...Huh, I find both Yes and Crimson to be quite fun. Sorry your experience of music created by top-flight musicians seems so joyless and vindictive. Years ago, I used to write blog posts which bordered on this type of frothing judgment, then realized I had no business trying to be such an objective judge of subjective things, and that just because I *could* doesn't mean I *should*.<br /><br />And calling Yes a "crap band" just ruins any credibility you might have had. If you don't like them, fine. But just because you don't like them doesn't make them bad - and the only real critique you offer is that you don't like them. Unlistenable? Then why do millions of people happily listen to them? You're mistaking your personal outlook for objectivity.<br /><br />Your criticism brings to mind Jethro Tull's "Only Solitaire". Do you hate them, too?Kevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09986178638263240427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-86364311828918811432010-06-30T09:26:13.713-07:002010-06-30T09:26:13.713-07:00It all serves as a reminder the meaninglessness an...It all serves as a reminder the meaninglessness and arbitrariness of placing music in pigeonholes. How sad that marketing departments of dehumanized corporate dinosaurs can shape the public "awareness" to the extent that they think that, for example, King Crimson and Yes have musical similarities. The often asinine music press, especially that of the UK is another offender in that they apply the term "prog" for bands whose sounds and modus operanda are in no way progressive.Bloggulatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02277867797233497542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-71393952478425999362010-06-30T08:21:56.569-07:002010-06-30T08:21:56.569-07:00wow. you're terrible writer at the most
ther...wow. you're terrible writer at the most<br /><br /><br />there's several bad journalistic (yes, I know that this is merely a blog) traits in here<br /><br />taste and opinion are fine and demanded, but the piss poor relating of said makes them negligible<br /><br /><br />fail!naddahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17258184708822134242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-77444441410586490852010-06-30T04:11:35.679-07:002010-06-30T04:11:35.679-07:00How do you account for the lost love of LTIA since...How do you account for the lost love of LTIA since you have the "love to hate Yes" and all persons related to Yes opinion? LTIA is connected to Yes through Bill Bruford, since he was a Yes member, of course.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06307423708263584381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-81560667870991343722009-09-05T04:07:32.053-07:002009-09-05T04:07:32.053-07:00Let me start with Relayer is my favorite Yes album...Let me start with Relayer is my favorite Yes album, but continue with I can't disagree with a thing that you say. You say it well and you are quite the eye opener at 7 am on a Saturday morning.<br /><br />And you are dead on on Larks Tongue. And take it with the trio of Larks, Starless, and Red -- whew. What a band. Well written, well said.John Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03236284689622960390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2598694453639649893.post-6026336955849932112009-08-25T22:49:22.379-07:002009-08-25T22:49:22.379-07:00I will have to go back and listen to the King Crim...I will have to go back and listen to the King Crimson album again,although I bought it when it came out but it has been awhile sinse it has been on the play list ( been in a jazz mode lately).<br /> I was laughing out loud while reading about your "love to hate Yes",and it was right on target.I got suckered into buying some Yes albums when I was younger,do you think it wrong of me if I ask for my money back I know it's a bit late but what the hell.I always thought that when Jon Anderson sings he has lead weights attached to his balls ( that's assuming he has some) can't think of any other reason he could sound like that.Thanks for a very entertaining essay and for reminding me about KC lark's in Aspic album.Neroon001https://www.blogger.com/profile/07200511160108542443noreply@blogger.com